Oblivious

While Lacey rides in a helicopter with Michael over Manhattan, Lem sits in an SUV. Alone. Behind the wheel. And since it’s death…she can talk to them both at the same time. Nifty.

Michael points out to Lacey the parts of Manhattan his family used to own. She wonders where her supposed family once farmed? They discuss urban development and the change of topography over the centuries. It’s extremely pleasant.

“That’s why I’m a Christian. Yeah.” says a black woman smiling. She nods her head.

An Asmat laughs. They agree with Lacey. They too are confused…at this moment. By Lem. Lacey finds that comforting.

“She doesn’t know, Lem. That’s all. What don’t you understand? She was lied to? And it’s so simple.” an Asmat explains.

Lem rests his head on the wheel. Smiles because he thinks Lacey is enduring pain to cope with…the pain she caused him by sleeping with other men. …But it’s not quite like that.

“She doesn’t know!!!” yells an African man to get him to snap out of it.

He lifts his head. Tries not to panic.

“Why do you keep thinking she thinks you ever loved her?” asks Joe of Lem. “Michael has her. Try taking her away. She’s repulsed by me. Try it.” He sits in the passenger seat. “Maybe you can do it. I can’t.”

Lem stifles rage. Breathes.

“Sweetie, the Fitzgerald’s never owned Manhattan.” Rose Kennedy says to Lem in a creepy voice.

“We ruled the streets. We never owned New York City.” says a leader of the Irish Mob.

“Does that overwhelm you?” Rose asks, again in a creepy voice.

“There are different types of farms, Lem.” says the ghost of a girl from Wisconsin.

Lem thinks. Recalculates. Blinks. Looks over at Joe.

Studies Joe who won’t shut-up about something. Joe who smiles, oblivious.

Oblivious.

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“Joe, are you blind?” Lem asks him.

Joe considers. Scoffs.

“She has a soft chin. Doesn’t she? And tiny tits. But they are tits. Not bumbling breasts.” says Lem. “She’s very agile and yet…I can’t place it. What is it? Oh! Oh! I know. She’s weak. She can’t even throw a frisbee well. Yuck!!”

Joe collects himself. “What does that have to do with my sight?”

“Oh nothing. She’s useless.” Lem pushes his glasses up his nose. “I mean…what can you do with her? It’s impossible to get in her vagina and get her off too? Right?” He shrugs. “So what can you use a woman like that for?” He shrugs, takes a swig from his water bottle. Looks brutal. Indifferent.

Elliott suddenly appears and laughs in the backseat. In uniform.

Feeling bullied Joe drops his smile.

Lem makes eye-contact with Joe.

“What’s it like? Being so superior to God? …I’m your imagination, of course.” asks Lem.

Silence.

“Oh no! It’s a serious problem. Analyze it! Now! …What’s it like?!” asks Lem. “Of course, you’re nothing. …Just a piece of shit. Right? …But can you imagine?!”

“You’re not really better than God. But…what if you scare Him? Who will save you?” asks Elliott of Joe.

“Right? Like…did you ever wonder? What if you’re the best man to ever live?” asks Lem. “What’s your duty to the whole wide world?”

“You have a bigger dick!” Joe shouts at Lem, fuming.

“I’m also not a moron who would cheat on women for no apparent good reason.” says Lem.

“What if you are the reason?” Elliott asks Lem.

“Then why are we even here? What in the world was the point of my life and Lacey’s life…aside from her kids?” asks Lem. “If those are my kids at all…our lives were utter rot aside from the creation of them.”

Joe blinks.

Elliott laughs. “Oh no, Joe’s meaning is to save London, Lem.”

Joe looks unimpressed by the insult.

“I’m proud to be a breeder. It’s a blessing. Not a curse.” says Lem. “It’s the only thing I ever had going for me.”

“Joe, what is the point of saving London?” asks an actor in the Illuminati.

“You are on record saying the opposite!” Joe says to Lem.

“Oh well!! Maybe it’s far more complicated than you can comprehend! Leave it to my friends to explain to you someday!” yells Lem.

“You faked it!” says Joe with help from the Illuminati.

Lem crosses his arms across his chest. Huffs.

“I was fooled.” He pushes his glasses up his nose. “And I fooled you?!?” He breathes. “And I fooled you?!”

“Joe? Why save London?” asks Michael with Lacey.

“Why London?” asks a member of the IRA.

“Yeah, Joe. London?!” asks the leader of the Irish Mob in the 1940’s.

Lem shakes his head. “You completely screwed-up her mind.” he says to Joe.

“What were you supposed to do?” asks a dead football coach of Joe Jr..

“Probably be a philosophy professor.” says Joe. He laughs. “Actually, I wasn’t bad at politics. Just…understanding war.” He laughs. “Not why they’re fought, necessarily. But how to win them.”

Lem laughs. “You don’t understand war at all.”

“The only just war is fought by someone in absolute self-defense or on behalf of families.” says Elliott.

“You can boil it down to that.” says a dead U.S. General.

“You do seem straight when you’re insulting my family.” says Joe to Lem. Suddenly seeing it. He sighs.

Silence.

“So why fight a war?!” he asks Lem.

“When someone is trying to hurt your children. You reason through the threat. And then act accordingly.” he says. “If she’d been mine and you’d threatened our lives in any way I’d have had you murdered first. It’s not witchcraft. It’s common sense.”

*cough* “Say…Hoe…why London, babe?” asks the IRA woman.

“Because London is classy!” yells Joe Sr..

“And your family is a real class act these days? Huh?” asks the IRA woman. “Moving it and shaking it?”

The leader of the The Jackson Five cracks-up laughing. “Taking it on the road!”

DFM.

“The Kennedy Family!” says Lacey. “Like the Partridges but with polo shirts and yachts.”

“Lem joined the Partridge Family!” laughs a woman. “Because he thought he was gay…”

Lacey laughs. Imagines Lem being a groupie for Keith Partridge. Riding in the back of the van. Painting the van on weekends with new flowers or bugs…or a sun? A dog? A…stick-figure smiling and and waving?

“That’s very kind.” she says to Lem.

“We were classier than that!” says Jack.

“Were we really?” asks Joe of Jack.

“Why did you paint in a bathtub?” asks Lacey.

Carolyn smiles. She gets it.

“They found it convenient.” says Lem.

“It was just about convenience, sweetie.” Carolyn says to Lacey.

Lacey is transported back to the mansion where they filmed “Eyes Wide Shut.” She sits on the marble bench and feels irritated. She examines everything. Critiques it all.

She wonders who everyone is.

She wonders why she cares. Still subconsciously influenced by Joe Jr. she grabs a whole bottle of red wine…and starts drinking it.

A man laughs. Quickly walks off.

“Lacey, that’s Chateau Margaux.” says another man in warning and reproach.

“Oh well. Oh bloody well.” says Lacey threateningly but with a sweet smile.

“Some people consider threatening her. Killing her. And she analyzes it coldly as they they analyze it in impulsive desperation.” says Michael.

“I don’t get killed?!” she asks.

“Lacey, you’re busy.” he says.

“True.” she says. She thinks. “But I don’t want to get too attached and get hurt.”

“They why get attached at all?” he asks. He pouts.

“Your wealth beguiles me.” she says.

“It is a lot of wealth.” he says apologetically.

“Not enough to fend off the Ottoman Empire.” she says sadly.

He sighs.

“You don’t quote stuff to sound smart? You’re legitimately worried about the Ottoman Empire.” says an aristocrat to Lacey.

“Yes. Isn’t that endearing?” she scoffs at herself. Enjoys a sip of wine.

“Why? Precious!” he flirts. Laughs. “Isn’t that idiotic?”

She thinks. “It’s just…when was that ever settled?”

He throws his glass on the floor.

She’s repulsed.

He covers his mouth.

“What country ate up your fortune? And when?” asks Lacey.

“We still have our fortune!” scoffs a woman at Lacey.

“That’s not an answer.” says Lacey.

“Fine! Germany!” answers a woman.

“When?” asks Lacey.

“The 1700’s.” says another woman.

“Oh! I’m sorry! You were all having fun. I’m just analyzing reality to protect Western Civilization. Don’t mind me. Or if you do don’t attack me for being brilliant compared to you. It’s getting old! I’m done crying for your vanity!” she yells. Grabs her wine. “That wasn’t well worded. Please forgive my clumsiness. I’m sorry.” Then she walks off.

An Englishwoman says. “Well, I like her.”

The aristocrat laughs. Smiles. “Cheers!”

Lacey goes off, up the stairs, witnesses the Sydney Pollack character injecting drugs into Mandy. Watches the man race out in a panic after Mandy collapses.

“We should help.” says Michael. They give her the antidote. She blinks. “Don’t, worry about me.” she says smiling.

“That’s idiotic!” says Lacey. “You’re not okay.”

She cries. “Mom?” she asks.

“No. But it’s nice to hear that.” says Lacey. The doctor arrives.

“Well. What next?” asks Lacey.

“Why the Ottoman Empire?” asks the aristocrat.

“Oh! Don’t let me bother you. You must be busy.” says Lacey.

“Doing what?!” he asks.

“Running the world.” she says.

He smiles. Sighs. “And…so why the Ottoman Empire?”

“It was never truly settled.” she says.

They all think.

“I suppose not enough.” says an Iranian.

“Exactly.” says Lacey, yawning.

“Joe, what’s wrong with Lacey’s pussy? Does she give bad head? What is it? You can tell me.” says Mandy.

“Is it my tits? My chin? My hair? What’s not enough?” asks Lacey.

“You’re too…dull.” he says, his voice falling.

“Oh! As in, I’m boring and good combined?” asks Lacey.

“You don’t cheat. You don’t lie. And when you do…it’s because you’re leaving. Forever. Most likely. And that’s…so…mature and…why would you do that? Who does that? Who cares that much? Or…is that…good?” says Joe.

“I’m not exciting. To you.” says Lacey.

“You lack artistic brilliance. You lack beauty or sexuality.” he says. “Or that’s what I would have thought.”

“That’s idiotic.” says Lacey.

“Joe…who were the Ottomans?” asks the aristocrat.

Lacey blinks, sleepily suddenly. Walks off.

And of course, Lacey makes it down the stairs holding the bottle, perfectly.

“We are angry.” says an Ottoman to Lacey.

She lays her bottle on a coffee table. Lays back on a chaise. Smiles.

“Oh how yummy. Do go on.” she says.

“We hate evil too. For Allah.” he says.

“Do you want to kill me? Or what?” she asks, sitting-up, annoyed.

“Or what huh?” he asks.

“Damn, get it over with. You’re boring me.” she says. “I’ve been so tortured there’s not much of me left. Be careful not to waste it, jackass.” She laughs. “I’m lucky that way. I was raised without love. By Vikings. But I’m not a heavy bitch, fucker.”

“Oh no.” he says. “I’m being serious.”

“A Holy War?” she asks. “Or what?” She thinks. “Ice?”

He smiles. “You know, God might want you to be happy.”

She weeps as much as she can. “See…now you’ve ruined your evil.”

“God. Not Allah.” says Lacey.

The man cries. Throws his hands up.

“What is wrong with me?” she asks.

He points upstairs. To Joe.

“Yes.” she says.

“You’re not classy and sassy!” says a man in their company.

She laughs.

“He lied.” the man says, finally.

“But what’s wrong with me?” asks Lacey.

“Possibly nothing. You’re just you. And he might not like you.” He thinks. “And maybe you’re too feminine for him.”

“Pat can’t handle that.” says the man that commented before.

“Why?” asks Lacey.

“Because Greta is feminine. And Madonna less so. And some men…like that. I guess.” he says.

“That’s not what I would have imagined.” says Lacey.

“I know.” says Paul.

“Well…I can’t sort that out. Not easily.” says Lacey.

“I know!” says the man.

“Why would you paint in a bathroom?” asks the man.

“Because I was feeling suicidal.” says Lacey.

“Where would you paint otherwise?” asks the man in their company.

“In a proper room.” says Lacey. She thinks. “Unless you have careful servants it’s a messy endeavor.”

“Like…not even outside?” asks the man their company.

“No. It’s messy. And no one cares anymore about art enough to get that messy.” says Lacey.

“What about kids?” asks the man.

“That’s why they molest them. Because their brain’s and souls are threatening and they lost their minds and souls in adolescence.” says Lacey.

“And they don’t understand art? Or they lie about it?”

“They don’t see almost anything.”

“But I loved you!” says Joe in the doorway.

“Then why weren’t you good in bed?” asks Lacey. “It was weird.”

“This is a vile conversation.” says the man.

“What was wrong with it?” asks Joe.

“It was like…you needed to act your way through. It wasn’t real.” says Lacey.

“I’m sorry you had to find out my lies that way.” says Joe.

“You didn’t act with other women. You gave them your love. Why were you so odd with me?” asks Lacey.

“Because they were more masculine and more loved by their parents.” he says.

“He sucked your brain like a leech.” says a woman.

“Why do you need women who were loved by their parents?” asks a witch.

“Because that’s what we do. Polos. Yachting. Drugs… Sex. Good hair. Badass attitudes… And parental love.” says Joe. “It’s our elite aesthetic.”

“Do you need Lem?” asks Mr. Jackson.

Silence.

“I’d like to buy him from you.” he asks.

Silence.

“No, it’s just…I need a Lem. And if you aren’t needing him?”

“How much?” asks HoneyFitz.

Joe looks confused.

“I’m thinking $30 million.”

“60 million.” says the man.

“200 million.” says Michael.

“400 million!” shouts Michael Jackson.

“40 billion.” says a voice.

“2 trillion.” says the IRA.

“Sold.”

And at that the money was funneled back into the hands of the British Aristocracy. And so Lem sits in Dublin. In shock.

“Lem was purchased by the IRA for $2 Trillion.”

“With money given to them by the British Aristocracy.”

“Do they own him now?”

“No. He was just sold to Philip. And then…see…Philip sets him free. That’s how it was apparently settled.”

“So he’s free in London?”

“Yes.”

“But how did they get the money back from the Kennedy’s to give to the British?”

“They never have it to them.”

“They said they’d only pay once Joe Jr. flew the entire family around the world.”

“In shifts.”

“Who refused to get on board the plane?”

“Gideon. Maeve. David. Kick. And all of Jack’s kids.”

“Maeve said she’d rather fly the plane herself.”

“Just think! They could be worth 2 trillion in Purgatory…if only they’d let Joe fly them.”

“It’s over Joe. We’re dead Joe.” says Carolyn.

“Did they even own Lem’s mineral rights?” asks a UND student.

“They always will. He sold his soul.” says another student from UND.

“No. It was by accident!” protests a Roosevelt.

“Well, regardless, Prince Philip bought it back.”

“For nothing.” says an Irishman.

“Actually that’s not true. He may have given someone homemade blueberry jam.”

“The berries did do well this year.”

“Lem. What’s it feel like to be a free man?” asks an Irish reporter.

“I should have consulted my lawyers before agreeing to be involved in my sale. I don’t believe I was ever rightly purchased by the Kennedy Family or any of their affiliates.” He blinks. “But I’m relieved I suppose.” He laughs. “I thank the Irish people, the Celts in general, St. Patrick, the English crown, King William The Conqueror of course, my parents, Lacey’s father, God and blueberry growers of the British Isles.” says Lem.

Lacey sits and looks sad.

She listens.

The room is empty except for her.

“This was a tragedy.” she says.

God agrees.

“Don’t ever waste my time.” says Lacey.

“I’m still hurt!” Lem yells at her.

“And yet…” says Michael.

“I’m done.” says Lacey.

Blogging

“Is blogging anything like wagon work?” asks Philip.

Lem laughs.

The thing is Lacey woke-up this morning thinking about who’s in charge. The Illuminati shouldn’t have probably started talking to her in 2015.

At first all these people who showed-up to protect her shocked her. She was floored…but yet not. It somehow just made sense that Jack was her friend. …Not like best friend. But like…her ride home. They used to trade toys they didn’t like with each other as kids in their imagination. And Joe can be mean… I mean, whatever. Right?

But…something…

“Would you have let him drive drunk?” asks a woman in the Illuminati.

“No! I’m still floored by him.” says Lacey.

“So…you feel like you’re being used? Like you’re a channel?” asks a witch in the Illuminati.

“Yes. Some of my thoughts don’t feel like they’re entirely mine. Even if they’re mine.” says Lacey. “And it’s not like I’m possessed. It’s more like…you guys are losing control of your organization.”

“That’s why we’d kill you.” explains a witch to Lacey.

“Oh no. I get that. …But that’s just the problem. I understand.” says Lacey. “It was probably very dangerous to talk to me. I’m not Marilyn Monroe reincarnated.” She laughs. “And I’ve been saying that since this started.”

“She’s not Britney either. Oh no.” says a black woman who’s dead.

“With each passing…you guys lose power.” explains Lacey. “You’re bleeding.”

“Do kids in the mafia have to kill dishonorable parents?” asks a man in the Illuminati.

“Imagine if they do.” says Jack.

“That’s not how you were raised, Jack. Is it?” asks a woman in the Illuminati.

“Were you raised that way?” he asks.

“But her father is her father?” asks the woman.

Jack nods a yes.

“You need to understand that just because she’s…shy and beautiful…and you could sense me…hovering…doesn’t mean she’s mine. At all.” says Jack. “Well, mine maybe in a different way. But not like that.” He thinks. “You let your egos and ignorance make all your major decisions.”

“But it’s smart to be evil! It’s called the selfish gene, Jack.” says Lacey mockingly.

“No. That’s insanity.” explains Jack.

“Really? You think it’s actual insanity?” she questions.

He looks sickened.

“Umm…so…you were in love with Joe Jr. when we stumbled into you?” asks a woman in the Illuminati.

“Lacey how dependent on you could Jack psychologically get?” someone asks her.

“I don’t know.” says Lacey. “If he’s not just evil…possibly very dependent.”

“Because he can genuinely fall apart around you and you don’t break or judge him? You just get it?” asks a woman.

Lacey thinks.

“And you’d never let him screw-up his life?” asks a woman.

“True.” says Lacey.

“If you’d been at the Whitehouse nobody would have thought you were his? What sound they have thought?” asks a woman.

“I was overbearing.” says Lacey.

“They would to have thought you were with him at all?” asks a woman.

“No. They would have thought I was very controlling.” says Lacey.

“Did we unravel our own sweater by making you Marilyn?” asks an actress.

“Hey guys, did Marilyn Monroe passionately love the nation of England?” asks Jack mockingly. He laughs. “Wasn’t that weird to you all?”

“In their minds they just made it some fake bourgeois hobby I used to look smart.” says Lacey.

“But it was obviously so much more than that.” says Jack.

“True.” says Lacey.

Silence.

“They twist everything that scares them.” says Lacey.

“But why…in all your selfishness couldn’t you see your own flaws just long enough to protect yourselves just a little?” asks Jack. “Narcissistically pretending like you’re invincible and don’t have actual cancer…is still a weird thing for a narcissist to do.” He thinks. “Like…refusing any treatment because you claim cancer wouldn’t ever happen to you.”

“I’m sure some narcissists in the past did that though.” says Lacey.

“Yes.” he says.

“Is it pedophilia?” asks a woman in the Illuminati. As in, is that what’s destroyed them.

“Was it as prevalent before the 1960’s?” asks Lacey. “I mean, it was a thing in the elite. Obviously. But…was it prevalent?” asks Lacey.

Silence.

“Let’s be careful not to conflate existence of something with commonality.” says Lacey

“It was common in Catholicism, possibly.” says a ghost to Lacey.

“But that’s not all of society or culture at large. Or as a virtue among the elite.” says Lacey.

“It wasn’t common in Catholicism. It happened. But it wasn’t commonplace.” says a man.

“Even in the clergy?” asks Lacey.

“Not commonplace. But it was far too ordinary.” says a ghost.

“Why would they rationalize it as a virtue?” asks Tutu.

“Because…they were falling apart. And they got dumb ideas based on dumb ideas their heroes had.” says Lacey. “Ancients.”

He laughs. “Like…what is love?”

“Yes. Stupid, naval gazing bullshit like that because they couldn’t answer the question in reality. And by over-focusing on the question they could avoid the fact that they had no real answers.” says Lacey. “It’s not the answer! It’s asking the question!” she says mockingly. She thinks, “Because the ability to still ask a real question is all they had left.”

“What happens when they stop being able to ask real questions?” asks Tutu.

“They fall to their knees and start crawling or slowing moving about like snakes?” she asks.

“Do they still have a language?” he asks.

“Well…that’s to preserve language.” she says.

“To cool off their heads?” he asks.

“And preserve families.” says Lacey.

“Western Society was in decay in the 1920’s.” says Scott.

“But it didn’t look like it.” says Lacey.

“What if that’s a lie?” asks Zelda.

“World War I really was that bad.” says Scott.

“When was its last light?” asks Lacey.

“The 1870’s.” says Ben Franklin. “Roughly?”

“And what’s been happening since?” asks a man in the Illuminati.

A businesswoman rolls her eyes.

“You guys have been covering up for it.” says another woman in the Illuminati to businesspeople at large.

“But here’s the thing…we’ve probably still had opportunities to recover. Or preserve.” says a businesswoman.

“Like..if we’d just fixed the pool situation, so to speak. Or tried to reinforce the rebar?” asks a woman in the Illuminati. “Instead of just painting over shit or totally ignoring it.”

“Possibly.” says Lacey.

“I’ve always found that saying, ‘falling through the cracks’ intriguing. Like, what’s causing the cracks?” asks a black woman.

“Me too.” says Lacey.

Silence.

“No, I mean…we had flaws. Every society does. But we possibly weren’t totally blind for rot in five seconds.” says Lacey.

Someone starts laughing.

“We also compared you to Hillary. But…we couldn’t stand that comparison. It was too hard on our egos.” says Mr. Blue.

“And you seemed more sexually…present than her.” says an actress.

“But she works better.” says Lacey. “As a magic decoder ring.”

“When have we had our chances to fix the rebar?” asks an aging actress.

“Maybe five or six times? Like…in the 1920’s. The 1940’s. The 1950’s. The 1970’s? …The 2000’s?” posits Lacey. “The 1890’s?” She thinks. “But it never happened. Almost, but not quite.” She analyzes. “Like…Theodore Roosevelt tried.”

“So did FDR.” says a liberal man.

“True.” says Lacey.

“So they’re hopeless?” asks the man who killed his family.

“Yes. It’s simple.” says Lacey. Meaning pedophilia in your brain is suicide at best if God’s merciful. “No, an actual pedophile could bring use to the world by bringing children into it or in other ways too if not tainted by their sexuality. …But otherwise they’d be better not born. But of course finding that before birth is impossible potentially.”

“But then all humans are just shit machines?” jokes a Millennial actress.

“No. We just aren’t our Messiah. And we can’t worship false ones neither.” says Jeff Epstein. “There truly is no way out. No way.”

“So you can’t crack the matrix by killing yourself?” asks a Christian.

“Oh no. You do. That’s problem. The matrix is a fallen world.” he responds.

“That’s all the matrix is? It’s just The Garden of Eden post Fall of Man?” asks the Christian.

“Yes.” he says.

“That’s so unprofessional. Shouldn’t we invent a better trope?” asks a Hollywood guru.

Vinny begins running on the beach.

“It’s boring?” asks Lacey. “Only boring people are bored?” she says self-deprecatingly. She thinks. “But you know, as a boring person…it’s not so bad. It is just the matrix. Not everything has to be exciting.”

“But then how do you cope with the loneliness?” asks Lem.

“You find another boring person who doesn’t think you’re boring.” says Michael. “I think the Boomers had that part right.”

“I’m sorry I’m so boring.” Lacey says to Lem sarcastically. Bitterly.

“Was it ever quite enough?” sings Beach House cathartically for Lacey.

“No!” says Hillary. “Never.”

Lacey cries.

“I wonder if Marilyn would have been as into skiing?” says a man.

“Or hiking?” asks another man.

“And you do have very true brown eyes. That actually are kind of scary at times.” says a black man.

“I’m not sure you were ever supposed to fall in love with Joe.” says a witch.

Hemingway shrugs. “What about Michael?”

She thinks.

“I don’t find you boring! Or biting!” yells Lem at Lacey. He’s agitated.

“Yeah, right.” says Lacey wanly.

Michael yawns. “Well, I certainly don’t. And we need to start doing our day, dears.”

“But maybe we did some good.” says Hillary, smiling hopefully.

“I just wish I could figure out what’s actually best.” says Lacey.

“Should you even have that choice in such matters?” asks Hillary.

“What’s mine?” asks Lacey.

“Potentially all of it?” she responds.

“Yeah, right.” says Lacey.

“It’s a mess.” she responds.

“At least it isn’t boring?” Lacey smiles.

“That’s a lie.” says Hillary.

“Only part of it? Messes are boring at times. But…love is so essential.” says Lacey. “And they only love the mess. The normalcy is too what? Painful?”

“They fall through the cracks.”

“I think that’s a safe place to stop chatting for now.” says Lacey.